Patrick Bruner: Oh really?
Michael Moore: But that’s the, that’s the crazy nature of this. Some ice guy is just going. I’m gonna occupy with my ice you know
Patrick Bruner: I ah, I don’t know about that. But I know there are many different organizations that are very interested in helping us maintain our position throughout the winter.
I think it’s very important you know there are people who have said that we could potentially leave the space and occupy you know, the internet or, or in the cyber houses.
I think that’s right out. I think we need to maintain our space. I think that the, the way that we
Crowd: (claps & cheers)
Patrick Bruner: The way that we’ve distinguish ourselves from protests. Is that we don’t leave you know.
This is, this is a something that we can’t just go home at the end of the day, from you know? I mean I try every once and a while doesn’t really work.
Uhm but this, this idea that Winter will be hard but we’re so dedicated. You go down there you can just feel it radiating off of this people the dedication.
When, when there was that freak snow storm that happened. You know we just buckled down.
You know it was sleeting horizontal and people were just you know, staying there and occupying the space and making sure that we held the square.
You know that’s important to us. We took that square. We’re not giving it up.
Crowd: (claps & cheers)
Richard Kim: So, so here’s a question that I think both Naomi and Bill could shed light on.
Ah it is Iceland’s response to its financial crisis has been the opposite of Austerity.
It basically just said “Screw you, Europe” Uhm (laughs) and, and ah you know.
This is not been a model here. It’s not been really discussed here in, in the US.
So I wanted to ask both of you, you know. Is this, is this uhm. What can we learn you know, from other, other places that have sort of resisted austerity and, and not just Iceland but Argentina in 2001, and other places?
What are the sort of models out there that are global?
Naomi Klein: Well I think there are certainly. There are good examples and also warnings.
Uhm it, it’s, it’s a troubling moment and I mean if we look at what’s been happening now in Greece, in Italy.
Uhm you know, I don’t, I don’t want to be downer because you know. I think that, that the, this is an incredible moment.
But Europe has been in revolt now, for a couple of years at occupying plazas and really fighting like they mean it.
Uhm and, and they are getting, they are getting stomped on right now. Uhm the, the, the dangers of, of globalization and what it has done to democracy.
And this is always the reason why we opposed this trade deals. Was with that they massively reduce the democratic manoeuvring space in countries.
And you see this so clear with the European Union where everyone is united in a single currency.
They don’t, you know they’ve done this trade, you are allowed to vote. But we are going to maintain control over all of the economic levers.
And that was that, that was always the deal. You hollow out democracy. You outsource the running of the economy to a technocratic class.
Uhm and look at how little manouvering space Greece has, Italy has?
Uhm and the solution now being proposed is an outright assault on democracy in those countries.
Now Greece is run by a banker who has not been elected to a single post.
Same thing is happening in Italy. Uhm and you cant say because they didn’t fight. They did fight. Uhm and they are still fighting.
Their structural, their structural barriers uhm that, that, that turn democracy into a joke.