MIKE DAISEY: SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY – Transcript.

 

You have to tell people that theyre full of shit and ah I don’t know your country that well, but I know it kind of well

 

Richard Glover:  Oh we repeat like a mantra.  We’ll do it for you.  All Bankers are Bastards!  All Bankers are Bastards!

 

Audience: All Bankers are Bastards, All Bankers are Bastards

 

Mike Daisey:  (laughs)

 

Richard Glover:  We tell our children.  We know.

 

Mike Daisey:  But you must know bankers and then some of you do end up eating with them, and I suspect that all the children are gathered around them, and chant that at em at the actual table, and I’m saying maybe they should a little bit

 

Audience:  (laughs)

 

Mike Daisey:  I’m saying maybe you should

 

Richard Glover:  Ah another question

 

Female Audience asks:  (inaudible)

 

Richard Glover:  Well can I…  Whenever I kind of hear is basically am I right?

 

It is how you find worth if you’re not selling stuff in a culture that values out of bubble things?

 

Female Audience asks: (inaudible)

 

Mike Daisey:  Well I am uhm, ah for the purpose of this talk anyway and in my own heart I draw a real line between a Corporatiziation and Commodification.

 

And both are problematic but they’re actually quite different.  Like most people that are commodifying things are corporations.

 

The effort to take things, remove them from any context to make them into objects that people then buy.

 

You know the truth is uhm; ah my issue today is like my central issue in my life is with corporatization, the abstraction of business that there is no actual human charge of it.

 

I think small business owners or even large business owners when they are not corporatized then there is someone actually in charge are fantastic.

 

You know especially when they behave in an ethical manner and they can go to sleep at night, and they know what the hell they are doing.

 

Like my issue and a lot of the problems I think that wind through our way in culture are the uhm, the level of abstraction so that the business as it becomes corporatized ah, is not attached to any human.

 

No one is actually in charge in towards of being actually liable for anything that is actually happening.

 

Because no one person is liable, the corporation can do things that any one person would think would be so unethical, and so they would go to prison for it.

 

So small business people doing something I mean people sell things all the time.

 

Richard Glover:  Okay then I think it’s more like about how do you find self-worth when the rest of society seems to be yelling out that the more money you’ve got, is the amount of money is the measure of man or the person.

 

Mike Daisey:  I think, I think it’s difficult but its the same way any of us construct a life.

 

I mean I think that if you make decisions like this uhm, to, to talk about the fact that you feel this way, you generally find other people especially if you do a good job of that idea where you’re trying to propagate here, that it needs to be joyful.

 

So you don’t make that atheist error, ah that the current atheism with whom you’re making are unbelievably alienating ‘cause your screaming at people.

 

Ah if you could try to bring people together then you could find other people who are interested in a human exchange.

 

I mean, I think it’s about building actual communities and a lot of corporatization is about dissolving communities.

 

It get really serves corporatism well if we don’t have communities that instead we are individuals who consume each of us in our own tracks.  We relate to each other only through finance.

 

Richard Glover:  Now if were quick we could fit 2 more questions so uhm so lady from this side of the room, stand yes.

 

Female audience asks:  (inaudible)

 

Richard Glover:  Did anyone hear that?  How long will this corporate period go on and will it go on for as long as the Pharaohs?

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