Sam Harris: Right
Joe Rogan: Brian, can you throw that fucking stupid clock away man. That shits annoying. Ridiculous meow clock. You’re a grown man.
But apparently it was in November. It wasn’t. His original calculations were in November. And then when he found out about the end date of the Mayan calendar did he just shifted the month. Which is so convenient.
Sam Harris: Right
Joe Rogan: because it is so ridiculous because he used to say to the day. So he was a great speaker. I mean, really cool idea. It’s a lot of fun to follow but when you do that much mushrooms
Sam Harris: Yeah
Joe Rogan: Reality comes like a slippery fish in your hand. You know, really difficult to constantly have control of.
Sam Harris: Yeah, yeah. That is a little bit of a liability when you say it so well, you can get carried away with just the experience of saying it that well.
Joe Rogan: Yeah
Sam Harris: Sometimes it’s true with writing. I mean you can have it like… I think Freud‘s influence is outside influence which is uhm, kind of explicable how crazy some of his ideas were.
Uhm, is born of just the quality of his writing. I mean, Freud was a great writer and uhm, it’s just uhm, the whole methodology he created for what’s going on in our head
Joe Rogan: Fascinating!
Sam Harris: Yeah, it’s fascinating but there’s so much to it is
Joe Rogan: Cocaine-based
Sam Harris: Should have been obviously bogus
Joe Rogan: Yeah
Sam Harris: But he’s a damn good writer.
Joe Rogan: Yeah, well to this day. People you know, talk about Freudian slips you know… That somehow it’s just a dick going on in your back of your mind all day.
Sam Harris: Well, it’s not that.. I mean
Joe Rogan: In one way or the other
Sam Harris: There are.. There’s a lot of unconscious processing going on
Joe Rogan: Sure
Sam Harris: and this is actually the subject of my current book, very short book on Free Will is… speaks to that. That it’s just… the sense that we have of being the conscious authors of our thoughts and actions.
We know is false. It’s not false in the Freudian sense that we’ve got the id and the super ego and the ego at war and is all being driven from behind by a kind of intelligence that’s consciously editing uh, what we can consciously know.
But there’s just a… most of our what’s going in our brain is unconscious and most of it is not potentially conscious and that actually explains a lot of the change that you get with psychedelics.
Because you change the bio-chemistry enough, you’re playing with the margin of what’s conscious and what’s potentially conscious and we are potentially conscious of a lot of things. We don’t tend to be conscious of.
And it completely transforms our experience. But there’s a lot that we’re just not potentially conscious of that the brain is doing. And it is… It is everything we are conscious of is dependent upon all of that work.
So for instance, the fact that you’re hearing my words as words right now coz you speak English. And I’m speaking in English. And you’re parsing, I’m making sounds and you’re just…
You’re not making any special effort to hear words. You’re just hearing words. In fact, you couldn’t not hear words if you tried. The words are coming in and you understand them and I’m gonna get to the end of this sentence sometime and we’ll both recognize that it was more or less grammatically correct.
All of that is happening unconsciously. And you’re not.. and.. and.. you’re just conscious of understanding what I’m saying or not based on whether I’m following the rules of English grammar or not.
But I’m not aware of what it’s allowing me to follow the rules. You’re not aware of, of what’s allowing you to detect my errors uhm. And, the truth is from a conscious perspective I don’t know how I get to the end of this sentence.