Sam Harris: Yes,
Joe Rogan: <lauging>
Sam Harris: Obviously, it’s possible to be completely stoned and have these wild experiences that are basically just dreams.
Joe Rogan: Right
Sam Harris: Or you know hypnogogic images and uhm..
Joe Rogan: Unless you can bring back those Latin names.
Sam Harris: Yeah, if you can’t bring back something that’s clearly information, then my feeling is there’s no reason to claim that it is.
Joe Rogan: Right
Sam Harris: You claim that it is, the one thing that… what is beautiful is that he.. People can have a range of experiences that is incredibly beautiful and life-changing.
And then, a certain percentage of people feel the need to tell a meta-physical story about the significance of those experiences. And religion is in the business of enshrining specific meta-physical stories as the ultimate truth.
Uhm, we know they can’t all be true because they’re all mutually canceling. Uhm, which is to say if Christiniaty is true, Islam is false and vice versa.
Uh, but, psychedelic experience falls into the same.. under the same rubric. You can have all these experiences and not know what they mean and be very humble about what they and what you don’t know and still value the experiences.
Or you can say, oh no, I’m in contact with the pleiadians and they live in a star system and they’re sending messages blah, blah, blah. Then you’re just part of the cacophony of new age claims that are unsubstantiated.
Joe Rogan: So I didn’t know that he had claim but that is pretty funny. But one thing, that he did claim is that he uhm, was he was high on mushrooms and they were communicating with him, telling him to create a map of time out of the I Ching.
Sam Harris: Yeah
Joe Rogan: That’s something was waved off
Sam Harris: That was the whole time wave.
Joe Rogan: Yeah.
Sam Harris: But that’s another thing that just, you know, he played some mathematical game with the,
Joe Rogan: end date, right?
Sam Harris: with the king when sequenced with the I Ching and uhm.. I don’t think he did it. I don’t think he was alone for this. I think he found some mathematically talented or crazy
Joe Rogan: <laughing>
Sam Harris: grass dude to help him with his game. But he got some pattern of novelty.
Joe Rogan: <inaudible>
Sam Harris: But again, how you define novelty is so sketchy and I never wanted to go down that particular rabbit hole with him. Uhm but yeah, if the world ends in 8 months or whatever it is, uh, as he predicted, uhm, or.. or..
Joe Rogan: Well, he didn’t even predict it uhm,
Sam Harris: a singularity something, there’s something huge. What he predicted is, the asymptotic achievement of novelty on December 21st, 2012 uhm…
Whatever that means it’s gonna be the most novel day in the history of the universe and… And nothing will be the same. Uhm so, if December 22nd dawns and basically, we just have another new cycle and it’s just FOX News versus CNN.
Uhm, we’ll know that that novelty theory was wrong and there will be percentage of devotees who just thinks it’s time shifted in some, you know, there’s a way given a few more years.
Joe Rogan: Well, he’s fun to follow. He’s such an entertaining speaker. I think that’s part of the problem. The problem was he was so entertaining and engaging that you know, he sort of was a prisoner to his gift.
And his gift was to tell these compelling stories and if his stories weren’t so compelling, well.. move things around and they make them compelling.
Sam Harris: Yeah
Joe Rogan: But unfortunately I really found recently because people in my message board kinda relayed this to me. He changed the end date December 21st, 2012 end date that he always said was that he magically arrived at
Sam Harris: Right
Joe Rogan: with his mathematical program which was to the day the same day of the long count of the Mayan calendar