I mean, think of how psychedelic that sounds to, you know, to early man.
Joe Rogan: Right.
Jason Silva: Like, a city. New York. A jet engine next to like a caveman.
Joe Rogan: Right.
Jason Silva: How do you make the leap from that to that. Well, you would think that that leap might be more easy if the ape is tripping, right?
Joe Rogan: Yeah. We should totally see how that works. If they’re willing to put monkeys in cages and try mascara and all that shit.
Jason Silva: I’m sure they probably have.
Joe Rogan: You think they’ve been giving chimps mushrooms?
Brian Redban: There’s definitely some scientists in some lab that are fuckin’ giving mushrooms to —
Jason Silva: But I don’t know if you can advocate that because the chimp can’t give you his permission. So what if he has a —
Joe Rogan: That’s true. So you leave the mushrooms and what happens happens.. ey.. what the fuck, the fuck. I just think it’d be a fascinating thing to watch.
Could you imagine if they did it for like six, seven generations and chimps started losing hair, standing up straight.
Start to slowly turn into people and they became all these political persons and they start looking like people.
“Closest one to a person yet.” And you see this chimp, “Get me the fucking out of here.” And they all start talking.
Jason Silva: Well Hollywood prepares us. They make a lot of cautionary tales about that. Cyborgs, or you know —
Joe Rogan: It would be amazing, though, if it was just mushrooms.
Brian Redban: They probably would just go from like throwing poop to wiping poop all over their body, you know? And they make poop castles.
Jason Silva: You guys have probably seen 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Joe Rogan: Sure. Yeah.
Jason Silva: You might think that maybe the monolith, when it first appears, when the monkeys finally learn how to load his tools. The monolith is just kind of a placeholder.
It’s this weird shaped figure. Maybe it’s a placeholder on purpose. It’s because it’s a metaphor for the mystery.
What happened when we went from like just being from apes to apes, they used tools. Well, maybe that’s metaphor. Maybe that’s the mushroom.
The monolith is the magic mushroom that catalyzes the use of tool. And the moment that the ape picked up like a branch on the floor to use it to reach a fruit on a really high tree, he became one with his tools.
We used our tools to extend the boundaries of who and what we are. And then we went to the moon. And then who knows what’s next.
Joe Rogan: Well, Kurzweil was a genius.
Jason Silva: He is a genius.
Joe Rogan: Like, putting like meaning into scenes and having scenes represent things that are actually taking place in the real world.
There’s some crazy guy named Jay Weidner, I think his name is, who actually sat down and documented all the connections to the moon landings and all sorts of different things inside the work of Kubrick’s The Shining.
Like to the little boy wearing an Apollo Rocket sweater, to the room number being like some number that has to do with the launch time.
It was a really amazing thing Kubrick had. He constructs a world, or he did rather. He’s gone.
But he constructed a world that was not just like the surface, but there was hidden meaning to all these different things that were going on.
Jason Silva: Brilliant, right?
Joe Rogan: He was a c — He was way, way, way ahead of his time.
Jason Silva: Right.
Joe Rogan: He was just out there, man. That guy had some fucking wild-ass movies. A Clockwork Orange, are you kidding me? I remember watching that movie going, “Goddamn! This guy’s going deep!”
Jason Silva: Yeah. Well, can you.. that’s why filmmaking, I think, is the most transcendent art form of our times because we’re literally able to create virtual world that can transform our consciousness.