Joe Rogan Experience Podcast 183 Jason Silva

And he says that’s not actually how it’s gonna happen.  What’s gonna happen is more and more of our biology is gonna be replaced by non-biological components, but it’ll be millions of baby steps.

So first, you’ll replace 5 percent, then 10 percent.  And eventually, after a bunch of gradual steps, you’re all non-biological, but you never felt any change.


Joe Rogan:  Yeah.


Jason Silva:   So that’s how it’s still you.


Joe Rogan:  I know a dude who was has an artificial knee.  I mean he was telling me about his artificial knee.  And I was just thinking about a knee replacement and I was thinking about it like, “Wow!  This is how it begins!”


Jason Silva:  Of course.


Joe Rogan:  “He’s just walking around!”  That guy has got a fake knee!  And he’s just walking around!


Jason Silva:  Totally!  He’s bionic.


Joe Rogan:  I know.


Jason Silva:  We’re already cyborgs.  I mean think about it.  Our car is our exoskeletons.


Joe Rogan:  Yeah.


Jason Silva:  So are our airplanes.  These are suits that we put on that transform the way we interface.  I mean we’re already cyborgs.


Joe Rogan:  It just looks like a Mustang.  (laughs)  Yeah, it really is.  That’s why people wanted to look cool.  “This is my cool suit.  Let me put it on.”


Jason Silva:  Yeah, and then some people.. some people get a little freaked out and they’re like, “But oh, this is unnatural.”  But it’s actually not because the same biosphere that sprouted human beings, that sprouted flowers, sprouted the microchip.

I mean Buckminster Fuller said, “Start with the universe.  If you look at earth as a planetary system, everything that comes out of it is natural.”  It means that the microchip, the iPhone is as natural as a tree.


Joe Rogan:  Yeah.  Absolutely.


Jason Silva:  That’s what’s amazing because it’s following the same kind of momentum.  I think it began with the Big Bang and these self-organizing properties that are just sprouting all these innovation.

“Evolution evolving its own evolvability” I think is the term that Kevin Kelly use. It’s insane.


Joe Rogan:  It’s insane.


Jason Silva:  Right?  And it’s a good antidote to existential malaise, right?  I mean the continuing fact of death, death sentence that hovers over human beings makes life very —


Joe Rogan:  I think we’re very silly in that fact that people wanna concentrate on that end and, “Oh!  It’s coming! It’s coming! It’s coming!”

And like way before it ever gets there you fuckin’ shit your pants on it, you know?  Like, yeah, it’s gonna come, but you’ve gotta enjoy this.

You gotta learn how to enjoy this.  The best way to be happy, the only way to be truly be happy is to do what you wanna do and enjoy this.


Jason Silva:  Oh, yeah.


Joe Rogan:  You can make plans for the future, and you could discipline yourself, and you could set goals.  That’s all well and good.  But you better be enjoying this.


Jason Silva:  Yeah, you have to.


Joe Rogan:  Otherwise, you’d be a silly person.


Jason Silva:  Yeah.  Yeah.  Well, you gotta find what gets you off.


Joe Rogan:  Yeah.


Jason Silva:  And try to make sure that whatever gets you off is also functionally productive. So —


Joe Rogan:   Yeah.  Doesn’t put anything negative out there.


Jason Silva:  Right.  Carl Sagan coined the term “wonder junkie” and I think that’s an awesome way to describe like a love of knowledge, a lust for ideas.

You know, ideas.. recognizing the erotic power of ideas.  And to think that ideas are not these abstract things, but they’re actually a thing that can change the world, right?


Joe Rogan:  Yes.


Jason Silva:  That’s what we’ve talked about.


Joe Rogan:  And it seems like every day you don’t know where these… my ideas are.. it’s weed’s ideas.  It’s not even mine.  I’m just borrowing them.  I’m pulling them out of the sky.


Jason Silva:  It comes through you but not from you.  And though they are with you yet they belong not to you–

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