Joe Rogan Experience Podcast 183 Jason Silva


Joe Rogan:   Well then I would go with Sprint, too, ‘coz Verizon’s awesome, and AT&T can suck it.  How about that?


Brian Redban:  I’m not a fan of.. I’m both Verizon and AT&T


Joe Rogan: But AT&T is definitely better if you wanna be able to get online while you’re on a call.


Brian Redban:  Yeah, ‘coz you can’t do it on a Verizon —


Jason Silva:  Like 3G.  3G technology.


Joe Rogan:   It’s just you realize how great iPhone is if you go to Canada.  When you go to Canada, their cell sound system is way better than ours.  They don’t drop calls out there.  It’s fuckin’ awesome.  Like Rogers, is that what it is?


Brian Redban:  Rogers?  I think so.


Joe Rogan:  It’s great.


Jason Silva:  I think that the iPhone is the modern magic wand.  I mean when you consider the amount of magic.. well, Arthur C. Clarke


Joe Rogan:  It’s better than a magic wand, right?


Jason Silva:  “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”  I mean there comes a point when something.. when an instrument of man is transcendent that it literally change how he relates to reality.

I think the iPhone is on that scale of innovation.  I mean–


Joe Rogan:  It really is.


Jason Silva:   if you were to show the iPhone to somebody 200 years ago, they would’ve thought that you are a god.


Joe Rogan:  Yeah.


Jason Silva:  I mean, right?  That is a magical machine.  Who..  Where are you when you’re on a telephone call to the other side of the planet?

I mean, they’re hearing your voice or they’re hearing a representation of your voice, except it’s in real time and it responds to feedback instantly.  Are you here?  Are you there?  Are you disembodied?


Joe Rogan:  Eddie Griffin had the best bit ever on the guy who invented the telephone.  He goes, “How high you gotta be to be sittin’ around goin, ‘I wanna talk to someone who isn’t even here’ ?”


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Jason Silva:  Totally.  Totally.  But see, you just hit the nail in the head–


Joe Rogan:  Yeah.


Jason Silva:   of just how psychedelic —


Joe Rogan:  It’s incredible.


Jason Silva:   modern information technology is.  John Markoff wrote a book called What the Doormouse Said.  It’s a true history of Silicon Valley innovation in the 60’s.

And it’s all about how Douglas Engelbart and the Xerox PARC and all these people who were trying to augment human intelligence by any means necessary, the birth of the computer revolution, and uh.. how they collided with counter-culture in the psychedelic movement in the 60’s.

And half these engineers were all like, tripping out and computers were all of a sudden reconfigured.  It wasn’t these big, like government-centralized machines.  But, no, computers can be extensions of the human mind.

And Timothy Leary came out in the 80’s and says computers are the LSDs of the 90’s.  I mean that’s literally what it was.  ‘Coz computers are what, mind-manifestings, like expanding your sphere of possibilities, like expanding your mind.

I mean these are psychedelic slogans being applied to technology.  And I think that that’s spot on.


Joe Rogan: I think you’re right.  Um.. I think that the interaction that we have with social networks, with Facebook and Twitter and message boards and stuff like that, it accelerates your sphere of ideas so incredibly.

I think about not just because of people like, uh.. people sending you fascinating things, but other people’s points-of-view and comments on them, where, you know, you’ll..

Sometimes you just wanna be more interesting.. I watch a great video and I wanna read the comments ‘coz you know, every now and then you go, “Wow, that guy just put it in a unique perspective —


Jason Silva:  Totally.  Totally.


Joe Rogan:  that I hadn’t considered before”


Jason Silva:  I mean it allows, you know, spaces for innovations where ideas can have sex —


Joe Rogan:  Yeah.


Jason Silva:  and this is like similar to genetic recombination in nature.

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