Because corporations want government to become weaker, more anaemic. Ah to destroy what tepid controls and regulations are left. And there isn’t of course much left
Alyona Minkovski: So you don’t blame government. Do you think that perhaps individual politicians. People like Barrack Obama. Are they just slaves to the system essentially. Because they depend on campaign donations. They depend on the money. And there is no way to get out of it
Chris Hedges: I wouldn’t call them slaves to the system. I mean Barrack Obama is certainly intelligent enough to understand where power lies. And what he has to do in order to stay in office.
So what, who’s interest he has to serve. So he has served those interest as assertriously as did George W. Bush.
The fact is there is no way within the American political system to vote against the interest of Goldman Sachs.
Ah we, we live in a, in a society that ah.. in which the citizenry has been utterly disempowered, rendered impotent. And it doesn’t matter what citizens want.
Even if we vote for instance in 2006. Ah against the war in Iraq. It turned the control of Congress back to the Democrats. What does the Democratic Party do? It continues to not only fund the war, but increase troop numbers in Iraq by 30,000.
ObamaCare ends up being 2,000 pages written by corporate lobbyist. The equivalent of the bank bailout bill to the pharmaceuticals, and insurance industry. 400 billion dollars in subsidies.
Ah Obama has expanded the reach of imperial wars. Including proxy wars in Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan.
Ah he has not restored Habeas Corpus. Ah on all of the major structural issues. There is no difference. There’s a complete continuity.
And of course the working class, and the poor, and increasingly the middle class have to pay the price.
Ah and it doesn’t matter if its whether Democrat or Republican. And that’s the fuel in this movements.
Alyona Minkovski: So how do you see this playing out? Do you think I mean, for example lets look back the Occupy Wall Street Movement that’s going on in New York right now.
Yesterday based on some of the largest members that they have thus far. And ah they were met with the police presence right. People were arrested, there were batons that were thrown, there was pepper spray. Does it have to be violent. Can it be done peacefully?
Chris Hedges: The more frightened the power elite becomes. The more violent and draconian will be the measures of control.
And ah the security and surveillance state in this country is profound, deep, immense, brutal, uhm and growing.
And ah where is the movement going? I’ve covered movements all around the world. I’ve covered all of the revolutions in ah Eastern Europe, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Romania, ah all the uprising against Milosevic in Belgrade.
When movements like this began you never know where they are going. Even the leaders don’t know where they are going.
I was sitting in a room in Leipzig on the afternoon of November 9th 1989. With the leaders of the East German Opposition. And they were saying that.. ah perhaps within the year there would be free passage back and forth across the Berlin Wall.
Within a few hours the wall didn’t exist. Uhm so I meant that’s a small illustration of the fact, that even the purported leaders of populist movements like this one have no idea where its going to go.
Where all hoping that ah.. it becomes so powerful and so immense. That it becomes to shift power away from the 1% back to the rest of the citizenry.
Alyona Minkovski: Would you compare this moment to ah.. what we say in the 1960′s here in America?
Chris Hedges: Ah I think the 60′s were different. Uhm the new left in the 60′s was largely a middle class phenomena. Ah it was severed from labor. Labor did not support, ah the new left.